Now I wonder IF her previously hidden past was NOT fairly typical for many young folks brought up in almost meaningless environments all across America and beyond its borders.AND now look at Donald Trump's legal "draft dodging" exploits and how THEY are going to lead to the EXPOSURE of many notable "closet cowards" amongst our sacred "establishment." Remember part of your goal is to get the jury to see her as at least as vile as your client. She chose to be the way she wasAround the age of 14, I chose to be the way I am and have been doing so ever since. In case anyone is wondering, any reports of Manson's death are at this point to be considered exaggerated. It was the general consensus at the end of '69/start of '70 that the prosecution had a very weak case. Life With The Manson Family Los Angeles Public Library The Manson compound on Spahn Ranch. What does that refer to ? That is exactly what Leslie Van Houton was charged and CONVICTED forYeah, despite Bugliosi saying in his closer:"One thing is abundantly clear. That's what I mean by not telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. You are correct. Because the logical conclusion of your implication is that he was obsessed with "getting" Charles Manson, even to the extent that he would frame an innocent man and see him rot in jail for life. However, problems between the young couple led Linda and Tanya back to New Hampshire. What if she wouldn't have testified? Her new family, though, was already falling apart. Blacks and whites died in roughly the same proportion as percentages in the general population. A trip to see the SS might have broken his case apart and make another witness (DeCarlo) useless. I hope I do that. Truancy? In a sense, Helter Skelter and Susan Atkins developed as parallel lines during the investigation. It's no wonder her Mum was in despair.Linda showed amazing strength and guts to testify in the trials that she did but I don't think it's unfair to suggest that when it came to actual life and real living, she was one of the worst adverts for the counterculture and to some extent, gives the establishment their own justification for trying to pick apart the movement of those heady times. I remember one of the things that made reading Kasabian's testimony so hard to read were the number of objections and bench conferences. Thanks for contributing to the blog.That May 1969 article where Linda had her license suspended is interesting. But NOW, "drunkenness" is considered to be the by-product of a DISEASE. I am and was a good friend of Linda's. From the Watson trial:Q: Now, you know helter skelter involved violence, didn't you?A: Yeah.Q: Did you tell anybody, did you tell Mr. Manson that you didn't want to be part of any violent scheme?A: No.Q: You knew that it involved the killing of people, didn't you?A: But I didn't know that that was our part in it.Q: What did you think your part was going to be?A: Well, that when helter skelter came to the city, when the blacks and whites were getting it in the city, and the city was burning, we were supposed to go in the dune buggies, with the children and bring them back to the home in the desert.Susan was the one that tied the murders to HS when she spoke with her cellmates but none of them went out on the night of August 8th to consciously ignite it. How did Linda's teachers report on her behavior? Kasabian was a 20-year-old hippy with a 16-month daughter in July 1969 when she met members of Manson's Family and was asked to join their commune at a dilapidated ranch known as Spahn's. No one else remembers when Frykowski was shot but Tex says he did it on the porch. ]But her last statement in the world of saintly jurists is not 'reliable': you as the listener/ reader should stop listening/reading where indicated. No other reason." Lots of Hippies were thought of as people that stole, didn't work, openly espoused drugs, were anti authority and anti establishment, sponged, dropped children all over the place and exposed their kids to things no child should even be aware of. When things didn't work out with Bob, Linda decided to go with Gypsy back to Spahn's Ranch. I can't see what some of those details would substantially change. To cover up that that tried, but failed to kill some other guy or.to keep Straight Satans out of it? If she was serious about half of what she said on it, she wouldn't have tried to avoid arrest. Hell no, it wasn't even life in jail at the time, it was death in the gas chamber.Please offer some proof that this or something similar is the case. The mission, ladies and gentlemen, the mission of these defendants on both nights, was murder. Robert,Thank you for the clarification. Its been awhile but I think I recall she said she took his wallet. Catch 22s abound.If Linda did in fact have a valid driver's license there is no reason why it would be rejected when she went to see Bobby Beausoleil. Their involvement in the murders was soon discovered. In 30 years I have had that happen twice I can remember. But at least he had an excuse Grim- respectfully one question:No hard and fast rules agreed, but let me ask you this?Do you not think there is a difference between a person like Ruth who was 15 when her father starting using hard drugs with her and in front of her, and encouraging her to have sex with older strangers WINDING UP hanging around the wrong crowdAnd a single mother like Linda who has parents willing to help her stay out of trouble and encourage her not to be in trouble yet consistently throughout her life CHOOSES to be with the wrong crowd??? Maybe around the middle of the night. It'll take a while for me to digest it. There but for the grace of.go you and I. In fact, his case is better against her then Van Houten at that point. I know that "the human side" is used to denote the lean towards goodness, softness, something of redeeming value. I see the physical evidence not lining up with her testimony, her line of sight doesn't seem to allow her to see everything she has mentioned (I'm working on that one), several of her statements 'just don't make no sense' and many were brought out by leading questions. They were both into really wild shit long before meeting Charlie. (click for details). But I can't see that all of the chronology matters. Fresh meat! document.write(''); Right off the bat, any person with the capacity for critical thinking should question that. And so on. Linda Kasabian ran away from her small New Hampshire town when she was 16, married a man she barely knew, divorced, married again, and gave birth to a daughter, all before she was 20 years old . She swore before a Grand Jury, that under the direction of Charlie Manson, she stabbed actress Sharon Tate to death and had participated in the murder of music teacher Gary Hinman.During her grand jury testimony, Atkins testified that there was no limit to what . Go figure that one out.NOW, thank God, the whole issue of heroes, sacrifice and cowards is finally coming out of the closet. During his closing argument he actually tells the jury; "now, I am not saying, ladies and gentlemen, that Linda Kasabian deserves any medal, any award from the Kiwanis Club or anything like that; all I am saying is that there is a distinct possibility that she saved the life of a human being on the night of the LaBianca murders, and this act by Linda in deliberately knocking on the wrong door shows, along with all the other evidence in this case about her, that although she is not an angel~and we have never said she was; and she would be the first one to admit that she is not an angelYes, he distinguishes her essential character from those that killed, but he does the same thing with TJ, Paul Watkins and Brooks Poston.He also did point out about Sadie that he felt sorry for her and that he felt she had more remorse than the others. It's been done about Tex, Larry Jones & Bill Vance in regards to Shorty. That's 3 times in a week. Her background should have had a greater impact. And for me it doesn't matter so much 'why?'. AND because Bugliosi, a judicial genius, says those phrases equal an attempt to ignite a Black and White race WAR, we got a HUGE problematic controversy.UNLESS Helter Skelter can make you more money than the word "robbery." But the people who count are the ones who did the crime. Now DailyMail.com can exclusively disclose that Linda Kasabian, 68, is living in a modest apartment complex in Tacoma, Washington, not far from the home of her daughter Quanu, 45. Nothing new. The failed policies of passive resistance, marching and speeches must give way to the use of violence to bring about social change because the pigs are using violence against us. I am not convinced the motive as described by Bugliosi is 100% accurate. I know people are going to scream at my saying the TLB story is not a 'good/bad' one because it is just to easy to tell the good guys from the bad. Do you remember last years motive poll ? If Manson was the God to these people and everyone else was disposable. In the most beloved profession in America we are trained to disregard the Parry Mason notion of courtrooms: someone actually out and out lying on the witness stand. As long as that question hung in the air unanswered, the jury would have a hard time believing Linda Kasabian and Bugliosi's claim that out of all these people who were fully ready, willing and able to murder for Charles Manson, there was one out of the group who happened to be an angel who thought it was simply a "creepy crawl mission" you're on swampy ground because Linda isn't the only one that didn't know what was going on that night. And even during that phase, they tried to paint her as the mastermind, but no one even attempted to say she killed anyone. The problem of course is that Bugliosi does not want that answer. Usually, when I'm reading them, I try to guess who has written them before I get to the end. We can listen to Schrek and George and the others who came later claiming to have talked to everyone around the actual killers.Or we can listen to the animals who actually did it?????? You said Kreneinkle said it. She gives so much info on that murder, both the before, the during and the after. There are definitely aspects of her being that stink worse than any shit a doctor or vet could extract from a creature of any description. There are several occasions where he brings out testimony he doesn't need for a conviction just to make her look good. I gotta disagree with you on that one. Her testimony was considered to be the most dramatic segment of the very long trial, and it received an unprecedented amount of news media coverage. All those who oppose us are 'pigs' and to paraphrase a line used in connection with that bastion of capitalism, Wall Street, 'pigs' get eaten.4. When this second marriage hit the rocks, Linda. How would she have heard anything Linda said, especially when you take into account that Linda's statement was issued to Susan ?Secondly, how would Pat know how much of a willing participant Linda was ? Who should we rely upon? And what that says to me is any answer that follows that last question is unreliable. Her mother, Joyce, remarried too; however, Linda did not get along well with her stepfather Jake Byrd, who according to her treated her mother and herself badly. Now taken into considering the location this apparently took place. If it took Clem 2 years to clear the drug residue from his head and Susan 5 years to be thinking clearly and Gypsy a decade to free her mind of Charlie & Spahn and if Brooks can say Charlie had a vice grip on his mind and if Tex can admit that he ran away then came back, then ran away finally then still made his way back, was somehow drawn back, then you can see that young people aged 20~23 weren't going to suddenly switch back to pre~rebel thinking and self preservation and put it all on Tex when he was part of the Family. Her parents separated while she was still young with Rosaire remarrying and moving to Miami, Florida. tobin james the blend 2017 ; real estate marketing solutions; linda kasabian daughter tanya; lassi kefalonia shops linda kasabian daughter tanya She was expecting their second child when Robert left her behind once again to go on a South American sailing trip. Sgt. Drugs, broken home sense of abandonment by her parents. Millie McCormack. Because certainly the message couldn't be, "sorry you're in jail bud, but we kicked started a global race war last night".Lol. RH: Maybe like this?1. She participated in terrible crimes, and then left her child with the people who she knew committed them.Then she flipped on those people too.Who could trust Linda? As soon as Atkins testifies Bugliosi has a pretty good case against Kasabian. There is an interesting quote from Fleischmann in an issue of the Free Press prior to Kasabian becoming the star witness. The ones who actually did it and had to pay for it all say the same thing. But that wasn't what that was about.It isn't so much a case of lying about witness as much as emphasizing anything positive you can find lurking in the scum. It's not fact. Low self esteem because she was overweight or other childhood issues? The next night, she again drove the family including the previous night members as well as Charles Manson, Leslie Van Houten and Steve Grogan to the house of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca, rich owners of a grocery store chain. When Larry King asked her if at any point she asked Manson why are we doing this and why are these people being killed, she was at a total loss for words until Bugliosi spoke up and answered for her. I agree with your comment about multiple angles. Bill Kurtis can make it sound like the best name ever. And there are events that logically it seems she had to see that she says she didn't. (One) - $5 bill; serial #J35728714.3. var part3 = "Deb at Mansonblog dot com"; ?I think Linda is one person people on both sides can agree was no good personally. Yeah, all true.There again, some of us have brothers, sisters, Dads, Mums, cousins, close friends etc that are in that vein and we still love them just the same and haven't yet abandoned them, though it may have been touch and go sometimes.You have a different sort of connection to your family and close friends than you do to a stranger who you have never met I hope.Had my brother lived a life like Lindas- maybe I feel some obligation to go above and beyond to feel something he doesn't deserve. Then and there ? In August 1969, she was instructed by Charles Manson to carry a knife, a change of clothing, and her drivers license and drive the family members Charles Tex Watson, Susan Atkins, and Patricia Krenwinkel to 10050 Cielo Drive, the residence of famous director Roman Polanski and his eight-months-pregnant wife, Sharon Tate. If Kanarek had handled this properly they never would have heard it. I didn't perceive you as the problem. Over here in Englang, 'moving the goal posts' can mean altering the rules/argument as and when one feels like it. Linda probably came from a home where she was ignored, and didn't have much direction or discipline, hence her making extremely poor choices in life, even as recent as 1997. I believe she was not and the same applies on my end. It should also lead us directly to Charles Manson (a loving father to HIS Family and a Natural Born KILLER to many others.Like no other time in History, WE are discovering new facts concerning just what makes the Human Brain tick and hopefully it won't be much longer until WE finally understand exactly why human beings do the "terrible" things THEY do.AND of course, that understanding will eventually lead to a sense of awareness in humans paralleled in all of history. var part2 = "mansonblog.com"; She was the chief witness at the prosecution of Manson and his followers for the Tate LaBianca murders. The couple divorced and she married again to Robert Kasabian. MY double talk is meant to show there are, at least, two sides to every person's STORY (especially Linda's) AND I don't hate ANYONE, except maybe MYSELF. The Vietnam WAR and those that "served" and those that didn't is NOW becoming a subject of contention. Sure, I see all that but what are the statistics for us on this site related to those issues? You are certainly entitled to that because we can't read her mind. This guy said she carried a knife eith her at all times linda was still frightened of manson family finfing her. Before I graduated my draft lottery number was 289. So that is another mystery.All in all, I'd say what he could/should have been charged with doesn't add up to a life in prison and being America's poster boy for evil.I'll also say I don't think the case was handled properly and that he was used by various people for political and personal ambitions and while he is no angel, I don't think he is all bad and find him to be far smarter than the average idiot you deal with on a day to day basis. Manson doesn't want any slack, he's campaigned fairly vigorously to be the Face of Evil. I should also add I think more than half of what is said about him and the various different accounts of life on the ranch is myth and fantastic sensationalism. Farflung saidI'm kinda thinkn' there were plenty of precursors, gleefully ignored, or dismissedI think you're right. While she has a husband who is knocking off some other woman and she's worried about her child. Like how about BILL Clinton. I know a couple really well who actually became quite successful. MM said: This supports the copy cat motive. Like the silly hitchhiking story about Wilson, I now wonder if her account of meeting with the Spahn circle wasn't another white wash. St Circumstance saidThe "They had really bad backgrounds and nowhere else to turn" sympathy is appropriate in cases like.It's paradoxical. No one knows why. And then I said, "People are coming." Or was she there to cheek, or kester the comatose, old duff's meds? ID of S.E. Before goofball goes off on Hollywood did I hear her initially say 'she shouldn't have been there'? Later, Robert Kasabian contacted Linda and invited her to meet him in Los Angeles. Q (by Bugliosi). var part2 = "mansonblog.com"; I think goofy's comments about 'being at war' and 'casualties of war' are interesting. people who assert their opinions as biblical truths.I am not picking on him, but just by way of example, Saint said."The real Losers in this entire sage are the victims and their families".First of all, no offense but that is a "duh" statement to the point of being a cliche.Second, it is said that you can't compare pain any more than you can compare love. Everything he did was part of a plan to wage a horrible war (murder). A British rock band is named after her too. St Circumstance saidand then left her child with the people who she knew committed themWhile this is generally taken as evidence of her total unfitness as a parent, for me it's more significant that she left her kid with a group whose child rearing methods she did not like than the fact that they had murdered. You leave it to someone else to decide if someone is lying: judge or jury. 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